March 27, 2007

Amber Nectar survey – March 2007


Here are the results of the short Amber Nectar survey, sent out to more than 80 Amber Nectar forum members in February 2007, and completed by more than half of the recipients. Some comments made by you have been inserted in brackets where appropriate, although all comments about the players nominated for question 2 have been inserted into the b) section below.

Thanks to those who took part!



1: “CRIKEY, ALL OUR YESTERDAYS…”

In which year did you see your first Hull City match?

1962 (“train to the match and to Bunkers Hill – my memories of this for me are like a page from an old Charlie Buchan Football Annual, flat caps, woodbines, Brylcream hair, rattles…”)
1965
1966 x4
1969 x2
(“a 0-0 draw, so it’s not the like the next 37 years were a disappointment”)
1970
1971
1976 x2
1977
1978 x2
1979 (
“I was two and apparently spent most of the game playing at being a fire engine”)
1980 x2
1981 x2
(“home to Peterborough. We won 4-1 and they had David Seaman in goal”)1982
1983 x4
1987 x2
(“it was the League Cup against Manchester United, who picked Billy Garton and Liam O’Brien, among other unknowns”)
1988 x3
1989 x2
(“I didn’t even watch the game, just played tig in the South Stand with my cousin”); (“went to get a voucher for the Liverpool game, been coming back ever since”)
1990 x3 (“versus Spurs in some testimonial game”)
1991 x2 (“we drew 0-0 and I was hooked there and then”)
1992
1993 x2
1994 x4
1995 x2
1996
(“au Stad de Chips”)
1998 
2000
2007
(“and it will not be the last!”)



2: “TREVITT CAME IN AT SIXTH”

Please list your five all-time Hull City players, restricting your choices only to those you saw play, and in order of best first. Feel free to add reasons for your choices.

a) by points attained. Each player received five points for a nomination as best player, down to one point for a nomination as fifth best player.

1ST: Justin Whittle – 104 points (including 14 maximums)

2ND: Dean Windass – 83 points (seven maximums)

=3RD: Ken Wagstaff – 41 points (five maximums)

=3RD: Andy Payton – 41 points (four maximums)

5TH: Nick Barmby – 36 points (two maximums)

6TH: Stuart Elliott- 34 points (three maximums)

7TH: Tony Norman – 31 points (one maximum)

8TH: Chris Chilton – 30 points (two maximums)

9TH: Billy Whitehurst – 24 points

=10TH: Keith Edwards- 23 points (two maximums)

=10TH: Richard Jobson – 23 points


THE REST:

Damien Delaney – 22 points (one maximum)
Boaz Myhill – 17 points
Brian Marwood - 13 points (one maximum)
Ian Ashbee – 13 points
Alan Fettis – 13 points
Neil Mann – 13 points
Ken Houghton – 12 points
Gary Brabin - 10 points
Ian Goodison – 10 points
Stuart Pearson – 10 points
Garreth Roberts - 10 points
David Rocastle – 10 points
Billy Askew – 8 points
Kevin Francis – 8 points
Warren Joyce – 8 points
Chris Simpkin – 8 points
Theodore Whitmore – 8 points
Danny Mills – 6 points
Leigh Palin – 6 points 
Duane Darby – 5 points
Rob Dewhurst – 5 points
Bobby Doyle – 5 points
Peter Swan – 5 points
John Anderson – 4 points
Ian Butler – 4 points
Roy Carroll – 4 points
Roy Greenwood – 4 points
Glyn Hodges – 4 points
Peter Skipper – 4 points
Greg Abbott – 3 points
Leon Cort – 3 points
Emlyn Hughes – 3 points
Wayne Jacobs – 3 points
David Livermore – 3 points
Lee Warren – 3 points
Gary Alexander – 2 points
Chris Galvin - 2 points
Jason Price – 2 points
Mike Edwards – 1 point
Mark Greaves – 1 point
John Hawley – 1 point
Ken Knighton – 1 point
Dean Marney – 1 point
Garry Parker – 1 point



b) by number of votes cast, irrespective of points gained per vote. The players with no number after their name all gained one vote each. The comments have been randomly chosen from those which participants chose to add to their nominations.

1ST: Justin Whittle – 27

(“no explanation needed”)
(“true pro, nails and 100% committed”)
(“he cared, he always acknowledged the fans, he was a good bloke, his attitude was superb and he was the rock around which the Great Escape was built”)
(“as a ball winning, beat-the-crap-out-of-your-striker-at-all-costs centre half, there was no better”)

2ND: Dean Windass – 26

(“he was a diamond in the dirt in the Dolan years”)
(“the ultimate showman”)
(“we were priviIeged to see him at his peak”)

3RD: Nick Barmby – 13

(“shame he is too good for most of the players around him”)
(“we are a useful side with him, a poor one without”)
(“when played in the right position there’s no one better”)

4TH: Andy Payton – 11

(“an outstanding goal-to-game ratio in a period when the doldrums were clearly starting”)
(“even though we were rubbish during the main chunk of his era, we could theoretically win any game because of his self-confidence in front of goal”)
(“he doesn’t write shit in the Hull Daily Mail”)

=5TH: Tony Norman – 10

(“often worth a goal a game”)

=5TH: Ken Wagstaff – 10

(“legend”)
(“fat and scored goals – so 50% better than Jon Parkin”)

=7TH: Stuart Elliott – 9

(“it’s not just the goals he scores, it’s the important goals he scores”)

=7TH: Richard Jobson – 9

(“so cool”)
(“the best footballing defender we’ve ever had, without it ever affecting his ability to get stuck in”)

=9TH: Chris Chilton – 8

(“Waggy’s partner in crime during probably the most entertaining period in City’s history”)

=9TH: Billy Whitehurst – 8

(“made the most of his ability and was always a handful for the opposition”)
(“showed what hard work, good coaching, commitment, desire – and beer and betting shops – could achieve”)

=11TH: Damien Delaney – 7

(“hated by the crowd from the off, he was clearly the worst left back ever and I’ll never forget him getting sarcastically cheered and booed off the pitch by City fans when he got substituted, but then centre back next season, and player of the season, and I was at the award ceremony and had the pleasure of shaking the hand of the happiest person on the planet for those few hours”)
(“a quite superb attitude to the club, his career and football in general – and he’s good too”)

=11TH: Keith Edwards – 7

(“when you absolutely, definitely, urgently needed a goal, you were just so grateful he was there”)
(“scored loads of goals in shit City teams and yet was criticised by some for being lazy”)

=13TH: Ian Ashbee – 6

(“we’ve watched him grow from a hot-headed thug who ran 30 yards to headbutt somebody in his debut game, to a natural leader who’s had a squad almost built around him”)

=13TH: Neil Mann – 6

(“a great touch and the ability to skin the opposition right back, which he did quite often”)

=13TH: Boaz Myhill – 6

(“truly wonderful shot-stopper, and will definitely get in the England squad before he retires”)

THE REST:

Gary Brabin – 5
(“he had massive bollocks”)
(“metal brought to an otherwise shite midfield”)

Alan Fettis – 5
(“Oxford”)

Ken Houghton - 4
(“underrated, ran that midfield, scored goals, used Brylcreem”)

Brian Marwood - 4
(“outstanding contribution from wide midfield during City’s exceptional period in the mid-80s”)

Stuart Pearson – 4
(“probably the best all-round striker I’ve seen in the black and amber”)

Theodore Whitmore – 4
(“for Hollywood balls and comedy”)

Leon Cort – 3
(“can’t think of a better central defender I’ve seen in a City shirt”)

Kevin Francis - 3
(“excellent for comedy value, along with a few much needed goals”)

Ian Goodison - 3
(“very nearly got us promoted”)

Leigh Palin – 3
(“I pretended to be him”)

Garreth Roberts – 3
(“captain fantastic”)
(“consistency and loyalty personified”)

David Rocastle – 3
(“just pure class”)

Greg Abbott - 2
(“mostly gets the nod as he only ever wore a scabby City T-shirt when he was warming up even when it was below freezing”)
Billy Askew – 2
Roy Carroll – 2
Duane Darby – 2
(“played in some truly terrible teams under both Dolan and Hateley, yet still managed to score a hatful of goals”)
Warren Joyce – 2
Danny Mills – 2
Chris Simpkin – 2
Peter Skipper – 2
Gary Alexander
John Anderson
Rob Dewhurst
Bobby Doyle
Mike Edwards
(“bit anal that one I know, but I liked the kid and thought he was one of the best readers of ball in the lower divisions – and he was local”)
Chris Galvin
Mark Greaves
(“underwent a vast improvement from panicky non-league clogger to the best defender in a City generation”)
Roger Greenwood
Jon Hawley
Glyn Hodges
Wayne Jacobs
(“utter class – quiet, unassuming, brilliant”)
Ken Knighton
David Livermore
Dean Marney
(“he’s got something that I like”)
Garry Parker
(“a talented, creative, effective midfield player – when was the last time we had one of those?”)
Jason Price
(“like Beresford, but good”)
Peter Swan
Lee Warren
(“I voted for him five times in the Player of the Year poll despite that fuckwit Dolan getting rid of him a couple of months earlier”)


3: “FUCK IT, I’LL STOP BEING INDECISIVE AND PLUMP FOR MASSIVE LEON”

Including players who only ever came to City on loan, which ex-Tiger who is still playing in the four divisions in England (or the four in Scotland) would you most like to see return to City? Again, feel free to add reasons if you wish.



1ST: Danny Mills – 17

(“he could be the one person we need to keep us up this year”)

2ND: Leon Cort – 15

(“although it was good business when we sold him”)
(“letting him go was a big mistake”)
(“I’ve never felt safer watching a team attack us than when Cort and Delaney were our centre back pairing”)

=3RD: Roy Carroll – 4

(“he’s the best ex-City player out there”)
(“it would be nice to see this position come under a little competition once in a while”)

=3RD: Craig Fagan – 4

5TH: Justin Whittle – 3

(“if only in a coaching role”)

THE REST:

John Anderson
(“wish we could have kept him for a season or two, maybe could have got a start and maybe, just maybe, become a game-changing player”)
Caleb Folan
Mark Noble
Andy Oakes
Jon Otsemobor
Jason Price


Filed under: Articles — Matt @ 11:33 pm

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March 10, 2007

Fans Liaison Committee – March 2007


flc
The Fans Liaison Committee was belatedly convened for their March meeting at the KC Stadium on the evening of Monday 19th. Many issues were discussed as usual but the main topics of the evening were season pass prices and the drawing up of a code of conduct for the police and supporters.

Season Passes
Adam Pearson was annoyed at the Hull Daily Mail’s headline to the article about pass prices as it bore no relation to any text in the article itself and gave the impression that the club are about to slash prices across the board, something not financially viable right now. Asked if the club would use any increase in TV revenue to subsidise a cut in admission prices should the club be promoted to the Premiership, the chairman said “yes” as the club would be in a position to do so. However, people reading the Mail’s ‘prices slashed’ piece were led to believe such reductions were going to be made in the summer, but on Championship income it is not viable at this time.

Pearson said that at no time was the term ‘35% reduction’ used. Nonetheless, the Chairman is acutely aware of the growing calls for prices for live football to be cheaper and is striving to achieve the balance of making prices affordable while still having the club be competitive in the Championship.

Nobody will pay more for a pass next season than they did for this, and around 2500 people will see their pass price reduced slightly, the age of eligibility for a £100 child’s pass has risen from 7 to 10, the family areas are priced at £17 adults/£8 concessions and from 2007/08 there will be some budget seats available.

Why was the ‘West Wing’, a section of seating in the upper tier of the West Stand, chosen as a budget seat option? Simply put, they are the least popular seats in the house, and it makes sense to try to fill them. With people telling the chairman that games are too expensive he has given the option of paying less to see a game, albeit in a less desirable seat.

The chairman asked rhetorically if prices should be reduced if the club were relegated, as even with price freezes admission to a League One game would be expensive at current prices. Ideologically speaking yes they should, but a reduction in matchday revenue “would not be in the interest of the football club” so it wouldn’t happen. “I can’t make apologies about the prices staying as they are” Pearson added.

A decision was taken to give current passholders until the end of the season to decide whether to renew their season tickets, that way they’ll know if a 2007/08 pass will be for Championship or League One football. The club’s mentality when devising the pass policy for next season was ‘keep what fans we’ve got’ rather than to have a big drive to attract new season ticket holders. The chairman is a little worried about falling attendances and hopes the amount of people renewing passes isn’t too much under the current level of just under 10,000.

Police code of conduct
At a previous FLC meeting the idea of drawing up a code of conduct for the Police was mooted, listing what both the club and fans expected from Humberside Police on matchdays. When the idea was presented to the local constabulary they reacted enthusiastically and suggested it be a two-way policy with the Police outlining what they expect in return from supporters.

Chief Superintendent Sean White has drawn up 10 ‘pledges’; 5 for the Police, 5 for the club and fans – all very New Labour. Listed below are the suggested pledges, but this is up for discussion and change, the language for a start is a bit bureaucratic and indigestible and needs to be simplified, and maybe some of the proposals need more clear definition. Still, it’s a start, and though cynicism from all sides is inevitable, there does appear to be a genuine will to maintain a dialogue from all three groups, the Polizei, the club and the supporters.

To that end we invite comment on this draft code of conduct so it can be refined to have realistic and achievable expectations for both sides.

Five Pledges – Policing at Hull City (KC Stadium)

Overall Ambition
To work together, in partnership, to promote successful, enjoyable and safe football match days both at the KC Stadium and at other venues promoting the football interests of Hull City AFC, the interests of supporters and the reputation of the City of Hull.

Police Pledges
1. Partnership – Humberside Police will work in partnership with Hull City AFC, the Club’s fans and other agencies to achieve the overall ambition.

2. Respect – and courtesy for home and visiting fans and Club staff will be set as a priority by the Match Commander and reiterated through staff briefings and other methods.

3. Accountability – individual police officers will be accountable for their actions (or inaction) and the minimum amount of police activity to achieve a safe match day will be set as an objective.

4. Leadership – senior police officers and match commanders involved in policing fixtures will listen to concerns/representations of third parties and explain their actions.

5. Regulations – the Police will support the Club and assist in enforcing stadium regulations and the law as it relates to the policing of football and public events.

Fans’ Pledges
1. To respect and abide by Club and Stadium rules.
2. To treat club officials and police personnel with respect and courtesy.
3. To give feedback on Club and police match day operations (through regular forums)
4. To support anti-racism and other Football Association, Club or Police campaigns aimed at tackling issues.
5. To promote the positive reputation of Hull City AFC and the city of Hull by their actions in following and supporting the Club.

Perimeter parking rules violation
People driving through crowds of pedestrian traffic immediately after home games continues to be an issue for the club, and it was asked if the people contravening the 15-minute wait rule are unable to be identified. When a violation is reported and a vehicle’s registration number is given, the club cannot identify who is responsible, but the Police can. The local constabulary have issued letters on behalf of the Club warning permit holders that driving through crowds is dangerous and not permitted, and that a further violation will result in the parking pass being rescinded. Stewards outside the ground are told to watch for this and on their evidence of seeing people leave the numbered bays the club have issued warnings. Terms and conditions will be printed on the next batch of passes issued and it was suggested that the club note the registration number of the passholder’s car when they are applied for.

KuHCC issues
Several issues that require the cooperation of the Council to resolve were raised, some of them for the umpteenth time. The pedestrian gates in the Walton Street car park for example: these are needlessly bolted shut, so pedestrians cutting across the car park to get to Spring Bank are weaving through lines of cars exiting the fairground. These get locked by the Council at the end of a market-trading day on the grounds, pretty pointless really as the gate can be easily vaulted or the lift barriers can be limbo danced under if people want to get in, so the pedestrian gates may as well be left open, this matter will once again be raised with the Council so the gates are open for matchdays.

Similarly, the club are continually stressing the need for better or repaired lighting along the Londesbrough street footpath to the local authority, but as yet no action has been taken.

There are some parts of the ground that are in need of a lick of paint as the original paint used was the wrong sort for the materials being coated and it has begun to peel and look unsightly. The Council will not permit the club to repaint the areas and say the work is under warranty and any defective work should be put right by the company who did the original work, though that company obviously thinks it’s no longer their responsibility. This bureaucratic attitude is frustrating the Club and SMC who just want to keep the stadium in good nick.

Contract offers
The wisdom of offering players contract extensions during a relegation scrap was questioned, the Chairman answered that no contract extensions have been offered yet. Danny Coles told the HDM he and the club have an option to extend his deal for a third year which is true, but the club have not made a decision on whether to exercise this, and won’t until May. Even if the club did offer him a third year, it may only be to preserve his transfer value, and it would be no guarantee he’d be here next year. A contract extension has been drawn up for Ian Ashbee but this hasn’t been presented to the player and wouldn’t be until the end of the season, the club are shrewdly keeping all options open, despite what is reported in the local press.

Finances
Because the club do not own the stadium there are few assets to borrow money against, so taking out loans to strengthen the squad is an unwise move as it mortgages the clubs future and can result in a Leeds style financial meltdown. Given this club’s history of financial difficulty, do we want to go down that path again? The chairman has constantly sought private investment since he’s been here and would be happy to have a ‘fuller board’ but sadly private individuals in Hull are not willing to invest. There are many wealthy individuals in the corporate boxes on matchdays but it seems they are happy with just paying to watch games and for low key sponsorship and do not wish to make any significant investment to take the club up a level or two. Any investment would have to be significant for Pearson to release equity and he said that even a single investment of say 3 or 4 million quid wouldn’t make that much difference and can easily disappear quickly.

The manager, whoever it may be, will have money to spend in the summer though the chairman would not be drawn on how much, it will obviously depend on what division we’ll be playing in next season and what our projected revenue will be. It was confirmed that many of the players’ salaries will drop by a third should we be relegated.

Speaking about the finances of football in general the Chairman said that the FA Premier League are scrutinising the ‘parachute payment’ system with a view to changing it to reduce the gap in wealth between existing Premiership clubs and those promoted from the Championship. Teams making the step up need to be competitive for the good of the top division, and the current system negates parity in the Championship as clubs recently relegated from the Premier League have a massive financial advantage with parachute payments.

Pre Season games
Three local away friendlies have been organised for the summer, City will make the short trips to Grimsby and Scunny as well as visiting Donny’s new Keepmoat Stadium for the first time. There is the possibility of a brief tour of Ireland but there is nothing concrete in place at this time. Home friendlies haven’t been decided but the needs of the first team may be put over the desire of fans to play attractive apposition. The club have been burnt financially when trying to bring in high profile opposition in recent years as the cost of bringing in a big team is rarely recouped by gate receipts as attendances for home friendlies are generally poor. Juventus would come but at a high price, Rangers would come and bring 7000 fans but we’d have to pay their teams expenses and where would we put 7000 away supporters?

Miscellaneous
“How many free tickets are given away?” one supporter asked. The answer, given by the owner of both Hull City and the SMC is around 500 each game. These go to schools and Council designated special causes.

Sports Bar members wonder why players don’t go in there after games to talk to fans any more. Because they don’t want to is the simple answer, and the manager is of no mind to force them to do it. The club is happy with the community work the players do and feel this is a much better way of being connected with fans than having them sitting in a bar.

It was noted that recent programmes have contained many mistakes, such as a picture of ‘Tom Finney’, which depicted some rugby union player rather than the Preston legend, and Steve Bruce may be alarmed to know we think he manages Norwich rather than Birmingham.

Somebody suggested a specific ‘singing section’, tickets for seats elsewhere are exchanged for seats in this new section designed to make noise. Wouldn’t this just dilute the noise made around the ground and restrict it to one pocket of noisemakers?

When people book away tickets in future they’ll be asked if they want to sit in an area full of families and those delicate flowers who don’t like, shall we say, colourful language or if they’d rather be in an area for people who like to sing, stand and goad opposition fans.

The meeting almost went by with no mention of Steve Jordan until somebody asked if the announcement of full time scores from other Championship games can be slightly delayed, a) so they are actual full time results and not latest scores and b) so people can hear them after the team are applauded (ahem, or booed) off the pitch. It would help if the music was turned down when reading scores out too.

Les Motherby

Filed under: FLC archive — Les @ 9:53 pm

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